Dude’s absolutely broken. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. 2. Spectre's power is ultimately his own power. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. 2. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. Round 2 : Post Retcon. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Originally posted by galan7777777. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. #17. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Thanos wins. K. Forum Posts. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Beyonder squashes him like a bug. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. . He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. But, that was in regard to a. Forum Posts. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. 10 years ago. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. King_Saturn. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. PR Beyonder curbstomps. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. A Time Lords) from the. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. -One. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Holo-Man • 3 yr. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. #13 AgentofChaos1. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. 1. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. trolls can call other people trolls. Also. :Wiki. Super Power Score and Level. on. Jim Shooter who was the. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Far from Beyonder levels. bloodlisted. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. 2. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. Molecule Man can battle Beyonder. Classic Doctor Strange has 3 months of prep. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). He wouldn't be. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. 3. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. just solved the Dazzler half of. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. New Comics. :The mage can't use any scrying abilitys between the fights to study his opponents except against the Doctor. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. let's wait and see his actual feats. I think he wins this. I forget her name. ago. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. I think he wins this. Sep 20, 2018. no. 10 years ago. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Surface Wiper Tier: Able to destroy the surface of a planet or wipe out all life on a world [E. . Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. 3. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. Both sides are in character but determined to win. . Preretcon Beyonder wins. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. Follow 4533. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. 2. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Forum Posts. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Loki God Of Stories 17. who’s full power. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Beyonder needs some preparation. Business, Economics, and Finance. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Powers and Stats. 8 K. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. 1,102. Multi-Oblivion 22. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. . MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. 0. no that was post-retcon Beyonder, and I think she actually had borrowed some of his power and then returned it to him. Beyonder 73%. Holo-Man • 3 yr. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. There are levels of overpowered. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Earth 691 Beyonder. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Forum Posts. Follow 41274. Beyonder Is so powerful he gets bored even with The most over powered entities. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. 5. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. And since he gave his power to. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Man, This a huge mismatch. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Forum Posts. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. give evidence of who wins. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. 2. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. CitizenSentry. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. 4. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. Oldfather 18. 8 years ago. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Yeah. He took many heroes, including. Most gods do not place anywhere close to 100 so basically asking if a character or creature reached this power level well they would surpass any of the canon gods. Lucifer Morningstar. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. #1. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Characters; Creators; Teams; VolumesHis power level is all over the place. Team 1 wins. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. Sep 6, 2015. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Beyonder is hurt. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. No one. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. He should win against Lucifer. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. #3 JohanLiebert123. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. But it wont be easy by no means. New Comics. Archived post. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. 1. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. 3. 4 years. Super Power Score and Level. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. 1. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. Sorry. CryptoI would think that a Level 100 character would be something like the pre-retcon version of The Beyonder from Marvel Comics. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. Forums. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. ProfessorRespect. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. His book alone has all. Super Power Score and Level. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. Forum Posts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. 1. And yeah he stomps. Just checked, you're right, my bad. Mad Jim Jaspers. Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. When Peter had Beyonder's powers for just a. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. Forum Posts. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. Follow 379. 9 years ago. Creshosk. Been done here on the vine. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Mxyzptlk. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. . #28 ovy7. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. Wiki Points. You. 11. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. He is his total opposite and equal in power. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. there are tons of ways to argue. Fixes Beyonder's Multiverse-Wide Destruction. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. -. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. Origin: Marvel Comics. 2 years ago. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. When he. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. To start it up I am going to post some of classic Beyonder?s. HeartLesS 14 d . In that case, E would be 10. the_doctor. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. 2. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins, while I think he is not. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 9: Dr. Super Power Score and Level. Something ppl get wrong. Doom did. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. Regardless. Molecule Man can cancel Beyonder’s power and weaken him. Nightmare All Dreams 24. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal.